RE: [Visualpython-users] Installer issues

I picked up ScITE just a few weeks ago and it has quickly become my default
programming environment.
Its really first rate.
When I need a shell, I open another window and run python or idle.


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: vis...@li...
> [mailto:vis...@li...]On Behalf Of
> Bruce Sherwood
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 9:33 AM
> To: vis...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Visualpython-users] Installer issues
>
>
> Sounds interesting indeed, Arthur. Thanks for the overview. It doesn't
> matter that the Mac is out in the cold, I suspect. If ScITE runs
> on Linux it
> should run on Mac OSX + Apple X11, which is also the only
> environment where
> idlefork has a chance of running on a Mac.
>
> Indeed, the terminate program issues in idlefork are being addressed. An
> advantage of the separate process is that if something goes wrong in the
> run, the editing environment is still up.
>
> Another feature important for my uses is the automatic save that
> is done on
> a run, which protects students from losing work. Is that a possibility in
> ScITE?
>
> I don't care at all about the interactive capability and I don't have my
> students use that facility at all. For novices the Python shell is a bad
> environment, because it undercuts the notion of a program as a thing to be
> executed, and edit and import history in the shell is very murky. In
> contrast to what some others think, to me the shell is useful only for
> experts. And when there is one-key rapid turnaround as there is
> in idlefork
> (and I gather in ScITE) the need for a shell is extremely small.
>
> I should indeed take a look at ScITE. I vaguely remember bouncing off it a
> long time ago, but I now forget why. Maybe it was Windows-only at
> that time?
>
> Bruce Sherwood
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur" <ajs...@op...>
> To: "Bruce Sherwood" <bas...@un...>;
> <vis...@li...>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 10:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [Visualpython-users] Installer issues
>
>
> > > I had the vague notion that ScITE is Windows-specific --
> right or wrong?
> >
> > Windows and Linux GTK.   Mac out in the cold, once again.
> >
> > >
> > > Highlighting Visual keywords might be nice, but it is really the high
> > > interactivity of idlefork that matters to me. Anything that offers
> one-key
> > > edit/run cycles is what I want, and what I want for my
> students. Is that
> > > possible with ScITE?
> >
> > Absolutely.  Out of the box, it works with about 25 languages.
> One thing
> I
> > do in my cusotmization is narrow it down to 1 - Python.
> >
> > F5 is "Go" - run Python against the current script.
> > Cntrl 1 runs a Python syntax check.
> >
> > No "seperate process" issues as in the standard IDLE, that as per your
> > posting - confirmed by own own testing of alpha2 - have not
> been corrected
> > yet in the merged IDLE. (Though I am confident it will be.)
> >
> > And the opportunity to go much further down the road toward VPython
> specific
> > customization beyond simple keyword syntax highlighting -  like VPython
> word
> > completion (cntrl enter), hints, etc.
> >
> > A good counter argument is the importance of IDLE's inactive
> prompt. Which
> I
> > happen to believe *is* important. I happen to use IDLE only for
> that.  And
> > have never found it strange to use it only for that and
> something else for
> > editing.   But there is an argument to be made that an "all in one" tool
> has
> > its advantages.
> >
> > PyGeo does not work at the interactive prompt the way VPython can.  So
> > perhaps I am prejudiced by that, and that IDLE does make more sense for
> > VPython than it might for PyGeo.
> >
> > Anyway, more offering to lend assistance if you think the concept has
> > merit - not selling it too heavily.
> >
> > Art
>
>
>
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